Angel Michael
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Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Re 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Da 12:1 ¶ And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince
Da 10:21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
Da 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
These are all the Bible verses.
Now for context from a particular verse:
In Daniel the prince stood up, when did the prince sit down?
Da 7:9 ¶ I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit
The Father is sitting down for judgement
Da 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
And this "Son of Man" is brought to the Father - we can assume to also sit down for judgment:
Cross referencing Scriptures:
Jude 1:9 is quoting this OT verse
Zec 3:1 ¶ And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
From this context , Michael the great prince, must be Jesus-YHWH the LORD.
Summary
1) war in heaven - now war on earth
2) great prince now wars with kings on earth
3) Son of Man called to be great prince over controversy
Questions: Is Jesus termed an angel in the KJV translations" Yes
Ex 23:20 ¶ Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.
21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
23 For mine Angel shall go before thee,
Confirmation:
We have a Prophet who functions as a Hebrew English translator, So how does She confirm our findings?
Then the Angel, who is Christ Himself, the Saviour of sinners, puts to silence the accuser of His people, declaring: “The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?” Zechariah 3:2
Why does EGW call Christ an angel? Because the KJV does, and we do not destroy confidence in the Scriptures despite it being fuzzy at times in translation - assuming this is fuzzy?
Ananias could hardly credit the words of the angel messenger, for Saul’s bitter persecution of the saints at Jerusalem had spread far and near. He presumed to expostulate; said he, “Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem. And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.” But the command to Ananias was imperative: “Go thy way, for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel.” {3SP 314.2}
So EGW does know angel is a messenger. Yet she writes quietly and confidently for beginners who read Scripture.
You also require the ability to DOUBT if you want to - for God does not force truth on anybody.
Hope this helps Shalom
Re 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Da 12:1 ¶ And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince
Da 10:21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
Da 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
These are all the Bible verses.
Now for context from a particular verse:
In Daniel the prince stood up, when did the prince sit down?
Da 7:9 ¶ I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit
The Father is sitting down for judgement
Da 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
And this "Son of Man" is brought to the Father - we can assume to also sit down for judgment:
Cross referencing Scriptures:
Jude 1:9 is quoting this OT verse
Zec 3:1 ¶ And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
From this context , Michael the great prince, must be Jesus-YHWH the LORD.
Summary
1) war in heaven - now war on earth
2) great prince now wars with kings on earth
3) Son of Man called to be great prince over controversy
Questions: Is Jesus termed an angel in the KJV translations" Yes
Ex 23:20 ¶ Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.
21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
23 For mine Angel shall go before thee,
Confirmation:
We have a Prophet who functions as a Hebrew English translator, So how does She confirm our findings?
Then the Angel, who is Christ Himself, the Saviour of sinners, puts to silence the accuser of His people, declaring: “The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?” Zechariah 3:2
Why does EGW call Christ an angel? Because the KJV does, and we do not destroy confidence in the Scriptures despite it being fuzzy at times in translation - assuming this is fuzzy?
Ananias could hardly credit the words of the angel messenger, for Saul’s bitter persecution of the saints at Jerusalem had spread far and near. He presumed to expostulate; said he, “Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem. And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.” But the command to Ananias was imperative: “Go thy way, for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel.” {3SP 314.2}
So EGW does know angel is a messenger. Yet she writes quietly and confidently for beginners who read Scripture.
You also require the ability to DOUBT if you want to - for God does not force truth on anybody.
Hope this helps Shalom