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Is it wrong for an Adventist church to ordain its church workers on the altar of a non Adventist church with bible texts?
 
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I think it might be okay, because Jesus said, "For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them." (Matthew 18:20). People are not always able to meet in the perfect places to be close to God, but He is everywhere a sincere believer (or two) are. Remember Daniel and his friends in Babylon? They were in the most difficult of places to serve God, but He blessed them tremendously. And God is with the Sunday keeping congregation when they seek Him with all their heart. They do not yet know all the knowledge we do, but they may come to know in time.
 
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I equally agree with you sir.
But the argument with some of my members are saying the altar of God is different.
Take for example, Abraham, where ever he went he built altars for his service, same as Jacob.
I feel once the altar is consecrated and ordained for service it's okay but there contrary school of thought.
The Sunday worshipper will consecrate there altar and then we will come and consecrate it again, if you get my drift?
 
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You are working off the premise that the altar is somehow defiled because it is used in a Sunday church. The same God manifests Himself in the Sunday church, He is the same God we worship. His Holy Spirit is active in the Sunday churches too, and He blesses His children there. The only difference between them and us is that we have more knowledge. Other than that, our God is the exact same. Jesus said, "And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd." (John 10:16). "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." (John 10:27). "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws them" (John 6:44). The Bible tells us the Spirit "will guide you into all truth" (John 16:13), and perhaps God will lead them into knowledge of the Sabbath in the future. The soul who seeks God in sincerity will not be turned away from God's Spirit, for we are told: "love covers all sins" (Proverbs 10:12). We are also told "he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins" (James 5:19). Maybe it is your calling to tell the Sunday church congregation the leader about the Sabbath. And it will take time for them to ponder the issue before they take a stand for the truth.
 
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Greetings friends, listening to you both is very interesting.

I just come back from visiting an old church assembly, and they use a Sunday keeping church, where the altar faces due East, instead of due West.

Does it matter? Hmm? I think it does but the Lord often overlooks ignorance with sin. If I was attending a rented church, I would move or make our own altars for our own assembly and turn the congregation around to have their back to the East and face the West as the Bible teaches. Nearly every modern SDA altar faces the east, how you noticed, and they also go up on steps, not a ramp as the Bible teaches. So why the interest in such topics now? Why didn't the pioneers know? Some older churches are built correctly and face due West. Without a raised platform etc.

Shalom
 
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rob said:
Greetings friends, listening to you both is very interesting.

I just come back from visiting an old church assembly, and they use a Sunday keeping church, where the altar faces due East, instead of due West.

Does it matter? Hmm? I think it does but the Lord often overlooks ignorance with sin. If I was attending a rented church, I would move or make our own altars for our own assembly and turn the congregation around to have their back to the East and face the West as the Bible teaches. Nearly every modern SDA altar faces the east, how you noticed, and they also go up on steps, not a ramp as the Bible teaches. So why the interest in such topics now? Why didn't the pioneers know? Some older churches are built correctly and face due West. Without a raised platform etc.

Shalom
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Hello Rob. It is interesting for you to mention churches facing West instead of East. I am confused, because I read in Ezekiel 44:1, which states: "Then He brought me back to the outer gate of the sanctuary which faces toward the east" (Ezekiel 44:1). See Ezekiel 43:1, which also states the gate faces east. East is the direction of the rising sun, which may be why we reject facing toward the east. However, the Bible seems to support it, but if you have verses which support your opinion, please share.
 
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crystalrainfall said:
Hello Rob. It is interesting for you to mention churches facing West instead of East. I am confused, because I read in Ezekiel 44:1, which states: "Then He brought me back to the outer gate of the sanctuary which faces toward the east" (Ezekiel 44:1). See Ezekiel 43:1, which also states the gate faces east. East is the direction of the rising sun, which may be why we reject facing toward the east. However, the Bible seems to support it, but if you have verses which support your opinion, please share.
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Now I am also confused:

Here is my verse

Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
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Help me out, the tabernacle tent faced East West, with entrance on the East side ?

Eze 44:1 ¶ Then he brought me back the way of the gate of the outward sanctuary which looketh toward the east; and it was shut.

Outer gate

Eze 43:1 ¶ Afterward he brought me to the gate, even the gate that looketh toward the east:
2 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east:
Now how did the tabernacle lay?

It lay East west, so the first curtain door was to the East. Ez 44:1 and Ez 43:1

So when you walk in your back is towards the East and you face West

Now the abomination has the backs to the west, facing east.

Nearly all church altars face due East. Instead of due West.

Hope this helps

Job 5:12 He disappointeth the devices of the crafty, so that their hands cannot perform their enterprise. {their enterprise: or, any thing}
13 He taketh the wise in their own craftiness: and the counsel of the froward is carried headlong.
14 They meet with darkness in the daytime, and grope in the noonday as in the night.

Here the arum serpent get people to face East in daytime, from West darkness.
But God calls us from blindness in daytime (East) into His dark clouds with eyes that see (ie West)
The exact opposite.

Shalom
 
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From what I have found, all doors to the temple in the Bible face eastward. See Eze 43:1,2; Eze 44:1; Eze 47:1. The altar also was facing toward the east: "Its steps face toward the east." Eze 43:17. The blood was sprinkled on the altar from the east side: "He shall take some of the blood of the bull and sprinkle it with his finger on the mercy seat on the east side" Lev 16:14. Maybe it was the wrong spirit and focus of the people in Ezekiel 8:6. It likely was not the direction they were facing which was evil, but their object of devotion.
 
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rob said:
Now I am also confused:

Here is my verse

Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
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Help me out, the tabernacle tent faced East West, with entrance on the East side ?

Eze 44:1 ¶ Then he brought me back the way of the gate of the outward sanctuary which looketh toward the east; and it was shut.

Outer gate

Eze 43:1 ¶ Afterward he brought me to the gate, even the gate that looketh toward the east:
2 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east:
Now how did the tabernacle lay?

It lay East west, so the first curtain door was to the East. Ez 44:1 and Ez 43:1

So when you walk in your back is towards the East and you face West

Now the abomination has the backs to the west, facing east.

Nearly all church altars face due East. Instead of due West.

Hope this helps

Job 5:12 He disappointeth the devices of the crafty, so that their hands cannot perform their enterprise. {their enterprise: or, any thing}
13 He taketh the wise in their own craftiness: and the counsel of the froward is carried headlong.
14 They meet with darkness in the daytime, and grope in the noonday as in the night.

Here the arum serpent get people to face East in daytime, from West darkness.
But God calls us from blindness in daytime (East) into His dark clouds with eyes that see (ie West)
The exact opposite.

Shalom
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Good point. When you enter the temple, your back should be toward the east and you are facing the Most Holy Place toward the west.
 
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Yes, now tell me is that your experience in your local SDA church? with regards to facing the altar, the ramp going up to the platform and the preaching while seated, not standing?
 
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crystalrainfall said:
From what I have found, all doors to the temple in the Bible face eastward. See Eze 43:1,2; Eze 44:1; Eze 47:1. The altar also was facing toward the east: "Its steps face toward the east." Eze 43:17. The blood was sprinkled on the altar from the east side: "He shall take some of the blood of the bull and sprinkle it with his finger on the mercy seat on the east side" Lev 16:14. Maybe it was the wrong spirit and focus of the people in Ezekiel 8:6. It likely was not the direction they were facing which was evil, but their object of devotion.
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You enter from the East, and face the altar with your eyes looking into the West.
I also pray facing West, not facing East.

Here is a Bible verse:

Job 5:12 He disappointeth the devices of the crafty, so that their hands cannot perform their enterprise. {their enterprise: or, any thing}
13 He taketh the wise in their own craftiness: and the counsel of the froward is carried headlong.
14 They meet with darkness in the daytime, and grope in the noonday as in the night.

Notice the people under the crafty one "arum" the serpent, who speaks truth and lies, ie "arum", has all things mixed, including the way we worship God physically.

Such people walk in darkness in the daytime light (East) and say we move from the darkness (West) into the Light (East)

But God says we are in bondage in the Dark (also blind) while in the daytime (East) and we come to GOD facing (West) where He lives in a dark cloud ( a different word for darkness to the Hebrew word for darkness caused by sin) and where we come to see.

These subtle physical things of worship matter. Shalom
 
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Yes its the same in many Churches but not all. The old pioneers did know better
Ours at Emerald faces due West and we face the altar with East to our backs.

Cheers
Rob
 
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