When did the Son come to this earth?

[Le Roy]

I would like to share some thoughts and conclusions regarding that which I have pondered for some time and I am curious if this rings true with anyone else?

At the fall, humanity was at odds with their Maker. Ellen says that they were given Satan's nature. They were at enmity with God. There was nothing within them that could turn their heart back to God, for that had died on that fateful day. Love was replaced by fear and fleshly desires. I had to ask myself, in this condition how could it be possible that the family of Adam could survive 4000 years before the Savior came on the scene?

The provision was already in place and ready to be put into action. The Son would step down from the throne and give His life to the fallen race, right then and there. He was the enmity against evil that God promised to the serpent, so that the seed of the woman (all her children) would have something that could bring them back to God.

The conclusion I had to come to is that the Son of God was given to humanity while in Eden, to replace that which had perished because of rebellion.
It is written: He was the lamb slain from the foundation of the world
He is the light that lights every man that came into the world. Would not that also include Cain, Able, Seth and so on?


EGW states, "As soon as there was sin, there was a Saviour. He who has given light to all, He who has followed the soul with tender entreaty, seeking to win it from sin to holiness, is in one its advocate and judge. He who through all the ages has been seeking to wrest the captives from the deceiver's grasp, is the one who will pass judgment on every soul. HLv 133.3 "

I've come to believe that the Son, who has lived in every offspring of Adam, is that still small voice that is reaching out and pleading with the Father on each souls behalf. If the soul would feel the divinely supplied need for release from sin, it could accept that heart cry as it's own. If the soul would consent the Son would so identify with its thoughts and aims, so blend its heart and mind into conformity to His will that when obeying Him it would be but carrying out its own impulses. The soul would be thinking God's thoughts after Him. The Son brought with Him into each and every soul certain gifts. His own love for the Father, and an ability to hear the Father's personal instructions to each soul and a willingness to obey the Father and a godly hatred of sin.

4,000 years later the life of Mary's son, who was fully in submission to the Son of God within him, would be a living parable to make clearer the plan for mankind to be fully restored to the image of God.

When I considered the demoniac in Luke 8, it seemed that there was a full and complete possession. As I consider that this capacity of completely filling the soul temple to the point that the spirit and the human act as one, I realize that God must have made this capacity possible for His own use and the devil had hijacked it. If this is the case then I understood in a better way how the Son of God has been bearing the sin of the world from Eden until this day. In each individual the Son feels distinctly the effects of sin and he bears it with us and for us or it with crush us.

"As one with us, He must bear the burden of our guilt and woe. The Sinless One must feel the shame of sin. The peace lover must dwell with strife, the truth must abide with falsehood, purity with vileness. Every sin, every discord, every defiling lust that transgression had brought, was torture to His spirit. DA 111.4" He saw and felt it all. This sounds like a very intimate connection with each human agent.

"That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses." Matt. 8:17

Jesus never experienced the myriad of diseases that affect humanity, but the Son of God who is spirit, dwelling within all humanity could bear their iniquity and experience their sicknesses and infirmities in a very real and intimate way.

These words above have given me reason to believe that the Son took up residence in everyone to attempt to save some. When I consider the story I grew up with that he suffered baring the sins of the world for a few hours on the cross, and what I have come to see, that He has suffered the burden of sin from the fall until this day, it is beyond comparison. This kind of sacrificial love cannot be measured.

 

[Cassandra]

After sin, the Father was separate from man. That is why there was a veil between the Holy and Most Holy place and only the High Priest was able to go in .The One who talked with man was Jesus.Jesus did interact with man after the Fall. He was who Moses spoke to, and who guided Israel, etc. That He was slain from the foundation of the world means that His death would be both forward and backward looking. It was accepted by faith by the patriarchs and symbolized by sacrifices. See Heb 11.
He emptied Himself to come here.
Jesus actively interacted with man throughout the OT as the I AM The still small voice was the Holy Spirit. All of the Godhead work in tandem for the salvation of man.
If there was a man who was sinless that the Godhead was waiting for down the line, then there would be no need for Christ to die. The Bible says there were no perfect men--you say there were. Nopie, nope, nopers. If God had merely needed a sinless man to fulfill the law, He could have created another Adam. But only God could pay the eternal debt of sin and conquer death. A sinless man could save himself—but only the infinite God-man could save others.

So we have the Godhead agreeing to save man, and this starts out from square one--first man to last man. That is why Abel and everybody else were doing sacrifices--they point toward the Sacrifice Christ made. It's a done deal--the agreement was made.

He emptied Himself.

"Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,
who, being in the form of God,
did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
but made Himself of no reputation,
taking the form of a bondservant,
and coming in the likeness of men.
And being found in appearance as a man,
He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death,
even the death of the cross."

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This doesn’t mean Jesus stopped being God. Instead, it refers to what He voluntarily gave up in order to become human and serve us.
Christ didn’t cling to the rights and glory He had as God. He voluntarily set aside His heavenly status to take on human flesh and experience life—and death—as we do.

Like a king stepping off His throne and putting on rags—not because He stopped being king, but because He came to serve the lower

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Jesus still had divine nature, but He chose to live in submission to the Father. He did miracles through the power of the Holy Spirit, and He always did the will of His Father.

John 5:30 – “I can of Myself do nothing...”

Jesus laid aside the visible glory He had with the Father. In John 17:5, He says:

“And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

As God, He could not suffer. But by becoming man, Jesus subjected Himself to pain, hunger, thirst, fatigue, temptation, and ultimately death—things that would never touch divinity.

• To serve us — “taking the form of a servant”
• To become like us — “being found in appearance as a man”
• To die for us — “obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross”

Heres the thing. He raised Himself up along with the Father and the Spirit. That we cannot understand it is because we will never be able to understand salvation completely.

• John 2:19 – “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” (Jesus)
• Romans 6:4 – “...through the glory of the Father...”
• Romans 8:11 – “...the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead...”

Jesus not only is Redeemer, He is mediator, High Priest.

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As for son of Mary--yes earthly son of Mary. And Son of God yes. I do not see a problem here.

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