The Trinity Controversy | Randy Skeete

So you rely on the scholars for your expert thinking?

Try to make all those words into a single word - like I did - medium

Than ask a prophet for a second witness -

EGW: "he declares that that which he had before acknowledged to be the power of the Holy Spirit was the power of Satan. It is through the medium of His Spirit that God works upon the human heart; and when men willfully reject the Spirit

EGW: "Through this medium God communed with holy men of old

EGW: "God’s truth is the medium by which the intellect is reached. The Holy Spirit is given to the human agent who works in cooperation with divine agencies.

A medium is also related to the word agency.

SO it is easy to study the Bible must easy than scholars. The HS is a medium. Simple

Most mediums are forces, but not all.

Shalom
 
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The term "Holy Ghost" in Greek is translated as "ἅγιον πνεῦμα" (hagion pneuma), which means "holy spirit." The word "pneuma" refers to spirit or breath.
 
rob said:
So you rely on the scholars for your expert thinking?

Try to make all those words into a single word - like I did - medium

Than ask a prophet for a second witness -

EGW: "he declares that that which he had before acknowledged to be the power of the Holy Spirit was the power of Satan. It is through the medium of His Spirit that God works upon the human heart; and when men willfully reject the Spirit

EGW: "Through this medium God communed with holy men of old

EGW: "God’s truth is the medium by which the intellect is reached. The Holy Spirit is given to the human agent who works in cooperation with divine agencies.

A medium is also related to the word agency.

SO it is easy to study the Bible must easy than scholars. The HS is a medium. Simple

Most mediums are forces, but not all.

Shalom
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I don't believe EGW. But the BIBLE I do.
 
theMadJW said:
The term "Holy Ghost" in Greek is translated as "ἅγιον πνεῦμα" (hagion pneuma), which means "holy spirit." The word "pneuma" refers to spirit or breath.
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You can make words narrowed in meaning if you want, hence the Greek language is influencing our thinking. However originally the language God uses is Hebrew a broad based language.

So find a single word meaning that is broad that fits all the narrow meanings

wind, breath, character, etc

The one I showed you is "medium"

A medium can carry wind
A medium can carry breathing
A medium can carry Jesus character into your character
etc

SADLY people are influenced by Greek, with narrow word meanings etc

EGW agrees the word "medium" is a better term. So I use it.

Hope this helps.
Why must I go back to Hebrew word meanings?
Because the Bible says the Hebrew goes out in a new tongue.
So the older tongue is better, wiser and more the original.

Here is the verse

Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

Greek comes to us with stammering lips.

That is why I use the NT in Greek back to the OT in Hebrew.

And I get a second witness from our Hebrew English translator, Mrs White.

Shalom
 
theMadJW said:
Thanks, but no thanks. The website says he God - Just like the rest of Churchianity!
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OK so we are back to my first question you failed to answer, 4 times I ask you

How many YHWH are there in the Moses verse gen 19:24 ?

If you can't answer this point by point, you cannot progress.
So I can say good-day to you?

Either Elohiiym is a family power of divinity or its not?

So how many YHWH are there in the Moses verse Gen 19:24 ?

Lets get this point by point answer from your first ? OK
The other topics can wait.
 
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theMadJW said:
Rob, how did you think Jehovah took a PART of the holy breath (spirit) and put SOME of it on the 70 elders. (Num 11)
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Easy a medium carries power, some more some less.
Also a medium carried character, some more and less.
SO part of Moses character was transferred onto others.
SO now we have 70 Moses persons helping Israel.

How wonderful of God can multiply His character into others and this is carried by a medium.
 
theMadJW said:
Why do you think it was doing in Job's nose? (Job 27:3)
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Job 27:3 All the while <`owd> my breath <n@shamah> is in me, and the spirit <ruwach> of God <'elowahh> is in my nostrils <'aph>;

You are am good Bible reader my friend, Job's nose is correct " Well done"
But notice there are two divine powers in this verse, the important power is ELOAH (I use different spelling)
This power is a Provider - Father Being. In all verses it refers to a pagan father god or a heavenly Father as God, whatever that term "God" means to you.

Notice the power of the Provider is carried in / by the ruwach, the medium, as breathing in Job (nashamah)

SO it is saying the breath of life is a carrying by the medium the power of the Most High Provider into us as humans.

Does this make sense to you? Why via a medium? SO we are not killed by Most High glory.
Mediums have a passive nature, they carry power and change its properties.

Shalom
 
theMadJW said:
I don't believe EGW. But the BIBLE I do.
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OK how can you witness what you read is true on your own? How do you know what you come up with is not deception? This applies to me too? The Bible says the very elect will be deceived in the last days. I do not even trust scholars and their own expert scholarship. Reading Strongs for example is bad. Again how do you know a human expert is true? You don't and they never tell you their assumptions and their bias. We all have bias, me included. You say Bible? Which one? There are so many translations .
I like the KJV because it is mechanically close to the Hebrew. I also like Jeff Benner as a scholar. I use his Lexicon. Not Strong's.
 
rob said:
OK so we are back to my first question you failed to answer, 4 times I ask you

How many YHWH are there in the Moses verse gen 19:24 ?

If you can't answer this point by point, you cannot progress.
So I can say good-day to you?

Either Elohiiym is a family power of divinity or its not?

So how many YHWH are there in the Moses verse Gen 19:24 ?

Lets get this point by point answer from your first ? OK
The other topics can wait.
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I answered it OVER and OVER- they were Angels who spoke for God.
I asked for you opinion as to what they were.
 
rob said:
OK how can you witness what you read is true on your own? How do you know what you come up with is not deception? This applies to me too? The Bible says the very elect will be deceived in the last days. I do not even trust scholars and their own expert scholarship. Reading Strongs for example is bad. Again how do you know a human expert is true? You don't and they never tell you their assumptions and their bias. We all have bias, me included. You say Bible? Which one? There are so many translations .
I like the KJV because it is mechanically close to the Hebrew. I also like Jeff Benner as a scholar. I use his Lexicon. Not Strong's.
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I study the Bible (and translations of it) from MANY sources, and, more or less, trust the scholars when everyone says the same thing!
 
rob said:
OK how can you witness what you read is true on your own? How do you know what you come up with is not deception? This applies to me too? The Bible says the very elect will be deceived in the last days. I do not even trust scholars and their own expert scholarship. Reading Strongs for example is bad. Again how do you know a human expert is true? You don't and they never tell you their assumptions and their bias. We all have bias, me included. You say Bible? Which one? There are so many translations .
I like the KJV because it is mechanically close to the Hebrew. I also like Jeff Benner as a scholar. I use his Lexicon. Not Strong's.
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Even to it omits the very name of God (as others do)? And includes changes in the original meaning of the words? And uses a language FAR different from English now!
 
theMadJW said:
I answered it OVER and OVER- they were Angels who spoke for God.
I asked for you opinion as to what they were.
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Reading the whole chapters of context one was YHWH and the other two were MALAK, ie messengers, which we can assume were angels.

There are instances were messengers can be human, cherub and divine. Not all angels as people assume
Sometimes when beings take on similar functions they can be considered as angels in fuzzy translations.
For example Jesus can be referred to an angel:

Isa 63:8 For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour.
9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.
10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.

Here we have Yasha as Saviour, and referred as an angel of His Father's presence, or malak, a messenger.
Here we also see both Jesus-YHWH and the HS named as names.

Shalom
 
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