Belief #2. The Godhead

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Seventh-day Adventists believe in one God comprised of three co-eternal Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, who work together in unity. This belief, known as the Trinity, is rooted deeply in Scripture even though the term "Trinity" is not explicitly mentioned in the Bible.
  • Biblical Insights on the Trinity: - The Bible illustrates the Trinity through various scripture passages, like the baptism of Jesus where all three members were present and active.
  • God the Father: - God the Father is seen as the supreme overseer and sustainer of life. He led the creation of the world through the Son and loves humanity with an everlasting love, demonstrated by sending Jesus for our salvation.
  • God the Son: - God the Son, Jesus Christ, is our Saviour. He became human to connect with us, offering His life for our redemption. He continues to be our advocate and friend.
  • God the Holy Spirit: - The Holy Spirit is our guide and comforter, leading us into truth and helping us to live righteous lives. He works within us to fulfil God's purpose.
  • The Working of the Trinity: - The Trinity operates like a unified team with a common mission of salvation, each member fulfilling distinct roles. God the Father provides love and mercy, God the Son offers grace and redemption, and God the Holy Spirit renews and guides us towards eternal life.
This doctrine illustrates God's infinite love and desire for us to experience salvation through an intimately connected divine relationship.
 
Why do we now adopt the word "trinity" when it is based entirely on the traditions and precepts of men?

A SDA person commented negatively on my best preacher Pastor Randy Skeete
so I had to reply to this "triangle god" in his mock.

I agree that the word "trinity" should not be used in SDA circles, but now its a part of our creed?

I was also interested in the 23 minute sermon of Pastor Skeete about the Surrender process.

The sermon took me 4 hours to watch and discuss, so I invite you all into the real topic study that exposes my own personal experience in surrender and what this means.

Both threads are listed on the same link: https://spiritualsprings.proboards.com/thread/116/surrender-god-sermon-pastor-skeete
 
theMadJW said:
They are BOTH against the Bible.
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You did NOT read the link did you?


JEHOVAH’S inspired written Word, the Bible, tells us that “God is love.” It says not merely that love is one of his many admirable qualities but that “God is love.” (1 John 4:8) It is his dominant quality, his most important one. Jehovah does not just possess love—he is the personification of it. How wonderful it is to know that the Creator of the universe and of all living things is a God of love! Everything he does is guided by that quality.




Rob: How quick to add Creator of angels so Jehovah can love them.





Question: How can Jehovah demonstrate love and loving while alone?
Answer: Your JW GOD can't.

Must get lonely being all alone?

Ge 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

What is this saying? Why is Jehovah doing this?

Ro 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

A JW bible uses "Godship rather than Godhead" whatever that means?

What is GOD telling us about God? There is duality of powers !

You do not accept this do you? I pity you, like the Muslim, with only an Allah
like the Jew with only a YHWH.

And with you scribes you translate poorly

Ps 1:1 ¶ Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

Terrible translation

Ge 42:23 And they knew not that Joseph understood them; for he spake unto them by an interpreter.

Better translation

Here is the meaning of this Hebrew word

Ps 1:1 ¶ Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the"bad-translators"

Ge 42:23 And they knew not that Joseph understood them; for he spake unto them by an good-translator

Sometimes / often Hebrew words have opposite meanings in their context, Something a translator never tells you

Now here is an interesting verse

Isa 28:14 ¶ Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye "bad -translating" men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

SO some scribes interpret the torah badly on purpose

What is Jesus answer to these people

Mt 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

Let them alone. You can't argue with them, They think they are right.

Shalom
 
I, as usual, fail to see you point.
And stop giving me JW lessons- please tell me YOURSELF.
But, I understand your confusion, what translation are you using????
 
theMadJW said:
I, as usual, fail to see you point.
And stop giving me JW lessons- please tell me YOURSELF.
But, I understand your confusion, what translation are you using????
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I read the Bible in Hebrew, so there is no confusion. None what so ever.
Harder in the NT in Greek. I read the NT in Hebrew too.
I use a Jeff Benner lexicon to help me.

You fail to see my point because your eyes cannot see. Ask God to open them.

Now you want me to stop using JW commentaries?

I read the Hebrew words in a Single English word as Jeff Benner taught me.
Try reading His Genesis book - though we don't always agree.

I also use our Hebrew English translator Ellen White.
She is 100% perfect in her translation of Hebrew into English.

Hope this helps you
 
Explain to me one a solitary being can demonstrate love?

Why are there Names of God in the oldest Bible book

Job 40:1

YHWH
Eloah
Shadday

And in the youngest book, depicting the end of sin:

Rev 21:22

YHWH-Elohiym
Shadday
Lamb

We still have three Names of God.
 
theMadJW said:
There is only ONE God- he Himself, and His son said it!
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The angel said the one true "theos" , Elohiym, not the one true "pater" Father.

JW equate so many words as the same meanings ? Why is that?

Adown = Adonay = YHWH = Eloah = Shadday = Elohiym = El = JEHOVAH

Explain why the Hebrew has 7 words all different meanings but the JW has one word meaning for all seven?
 
rob said:
The angel said the one true "theos" , Elohiym, not the one true "pater" Father.

JW equate so many words as the same meanings ? Why is that?

Adown = Adonay = YHWH = Eloah = Shadday = Elohiym = El = JEHOVAH

Explain why the Hebrew has 7 words all different meanings but the JW has one word meaning for all seven?
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Remember God inspired His own verses, must be a not smart God to have 7 Hebrew words that all mean the same thing?
But you laugh because the JW has never investigated why these words are different
 
theMadJW said:
I don't do the Twist.....
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Who is twisting? No me

I will do one of the Hebrew words for you : Elohiym

"So why does Elohim have a plural suffix if it is numerically singular with a singular verb and singular adjective? It turns out there is a special type of plural in Hebrew that has a plural suffix even though it is numerically singular with a singular verb and singular adjective. These nouns are called majestic plurals" Gordon, 2003

"It is worth noting that the word Elohim is not always a majestic plural. When referring to the pagan gods, the term Elohim is usually a numerical plural."(Gordon, 2003

This person you quoted to me, twist Hebrew words to suit context he does not like.

Elohiym is always numerically plural. but in the case of the true refers to "family powers"

Pagan deities also have "family powers"

"Certainly this does not mean that YHWH made Moses into a god, but rather that he would speak to Pharaoh with authority through Aaron who would serve as his mouth-piece in the way that the prophets serve as the mouth-pieces of YHWH. In any event, there is clearly nothing multiple about Moses, even though he was made an Elohim to Pharaoh (Gordon, 2003)."

Moses was the brother of Aaron and the sibling of Miriam. They are all family powers. Gordon is speaking falsehood.

"Here we see three pagan deities each of which is referred to as an Elohim. Obviously the book of Kings is not saying that any of these false deities is a "great God". On the contrary, the verse goes on to rebuke the Israelites for worshipping them. The meaning is that the Sidonians, Moabites, and Ammonites looked upon their deities as great Gods and in this instance Scripture employs the terms used by the pagans themselves to refer to their own deities. At the same time we must observe that Ashtoret, Kemosh, and Milkom are each referred to as Elohim even though there is nothing multiple about any one of them."

Again Gordon is wrong. Evey read TWO Babylons by Hislop? Pagan deities all belong to family powers.

(2)Ge 35:7 And he built there an altar, and called the place Elbethel: because there ELOHIM (with plural verb) appeared unto him, when he fled from the face of his brother.

" But the basic question still remains. Why are there these three instances in the Tanach where Elohim receives a plural verb?"

So Gordon admits that the word elohiym is a family power but refuses to admit this.
 
"Let us remember that the rule of Elohim receiving a singular verb does actually work in some 2000 instances and the three verses just mentioned are the only exceptions in the entire Tanach. ...Could it be that these three anomalous verses hint at some great mystery about the paradoxical and contradictory nature of God? Or is there a much simpler, linguistic explanation?"

Notice Elohiym in action:

Ge 3:22 ¶ And ELOHIYM said, Behold, the man is become as one of US, to know good and evil:

Notice it does not say ME, it says US

Adam and Eve was a family power. Now they become a false elohiym power because they know good and evil

Shalom
 
Question: There are three ways to become family

(1) blood descendant - Ge 4:1 ¶ And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived,

(2) Adopted in - Ru 1:16 And Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God:

(3) As comrade - 2Sa 23:8 ¶ These be the names of the mighty men whom David had:

Jehovah has to be able to functionally demonstrate all these functions of a family otherwise this verse is false:

Ro 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Now if you have an Angel as Jehovah's Spirit-Son, the angel is only adopted in, and a comrade, but NOT a blood descendant.

Since man is made in Jehovah's image, all functions mankind does Jehovah also has to do ALSO

The JW has no YHWH-Son.

The JW only has a angel, an adopted son, one among a billion. Not in the class as a One and Only YHWH-Son

Shalom
 
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