The Trinity Controversy | Randy Skeete

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Summary of the video:​


In this video, Randy Skeete discusses the concept of the Holy Trinity in Christianity, which comprises God the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. He emphasizes that these are three separate entities but share one substance. Here are the key points:
  1. The Holy Spirit: Skeete affirms the existence of the Holy Spirit as a distinct entity. He warns against blaspheming the Holy Spirit, stating that it is an unforgivable sin according to the Bible (Matthew 12:31-32).
  2. Anointing of Jesus: He explains that Jesus was anointed by the Holy Spirit, not by Himself. This anointing was done by God the Father through the Holy Spirit, emphasizing their distinct roles (Luke 4:18, Acts 10:38).
  3. High Priesthood of Jesus: Skeete discusses the high priesthood of Jesus, stating that Jesus did not anoint Himself as a high priest. Instead, He was anointed by God the Father through the Holy Spirit (Hebrews 5:1-5).
  4. Authority and Knowledge: He highlights that the one who sends has greater authority than the one sent. Thus, God the Father, who sends both Jesus and the Holy Spirit, has the highest authority. However, all three entities are equally divine as they share the same knowledge (John 13:16, 1 Corinthians 2:9-11).
  5. Baptism of Jesus: Skeete uses the baptism of Jesus to illustrate the distinct existence of the three entities. During the baptism, Jesus was in the water, the Holy Spirit descended from the sky, and God the Father’s voice was heard from heaven (Matthew 3).
  6. The Holy Spirit as a Guide: Skeete concludes by emphasizing the role of the Holy Spirit as a guide, a friend, and a source of conviction and restraint. He warns against denying the existence of the Holy Spirit, stating that it places one in mortal danger because blaspheming the Holy Ghost is an unpardonable sin.
Skeete’s discussion centers on affirming the distinct identities of God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, while emphasizing their unity in substance and purpose.
 
This is one topic that has elicited great debate amongst Adventists. I agree with Randy Skeete as pertains to the Trinity. Some argue that the word trinity is not in the Bible which is true but the concept is there. There is equally no word as millenium in the Bible but we talk of it, the concept is there.
 
Ronedion said:
This is one topic that has elicited great debate amongst Adventists. I agree with Randy Skeete as pertains to the Trinity. Some argue that the word trinity is not in the Bible which is true but the concept is there. There is equally no word as millenium in the Bible but we talk of it, the concept is there.
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I read a story about how coyotes behave during mating, and I think it is a fitting analogy here. So, it happens that during the mating season (Feb-Mar), the female coyote emits pheromones that attract not only the male coyotes but also male dogs. The female coyote will lure the male dog from the village where there is human protection to the jungle where it is vulnerable. There, the rest of the coyote pack will attack it and kill it. The dog did not know that it was being lured; it was just following the scent of the female.

In a similar fashion, the devil aims to not only sow discord but also to plant disbelief in the hearts of men. The devices of the devil are subtle but very well calculated. By sowing a seed of disbelief, you begin to question every foundational belief you hold. That is the gotcha! moment he's aiming for to draw men away from the protection of God into vulnerable ground (build context with The Spirit of Prophecy vol. 4, p. 350.2 - Ellen G. White). He has managed to get people busy talking about things that do not edify, empty arguments that do not add to Christian growth.

The devil fears nothing, except that men should be acquainted with his devices. See the excerpt below,

None are in greater danger from the influence of evil spirits than are those who, notwithstanding the direct and ample testimony of the Scriptures, deny the existence and agency of the devil and his angels. So long as we are ignorant of their wiles, they have almost inconceivable advantage; many give heed to their suggestions while they suppose themselves to be following the dictates of their own wisdom. This is why, as we approach the close of time, when Satan is to work with greatest power to deceive and destroy, he spreads everywhere the belief that he does not exist. It is his policy to conceal himself and his manner of working (The Spirit of Prophecy vol. 4, p. 335.1 - Ellen G. White).​
 
Quote: "Some argue that the word trinity is not in the Bible which is true but the concept is there.
Hmm? That assumes we know what trinity means, according to the Catholics who invented the term under popular use, nobody knows, they publish only what cattle need to here (see Walter Veith) so I would be hesitant taking on any tradition and precepts of men. Shalom
 
theMadJW said:
btw the holy spirit is God's POWER- not a .....GHOST....Booo!
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I disagree. The Holy Spirit is a person, with distinct personality, awareness and capability. The Holy spirit searches the depths of things, even the depths of God (1 Corinthians 2:10–11), the Holy spirit can be grieved - meaning He has feelings (Ephesians 4:30), the Holy Spirit has power to move/inspire (Gen 1:2; 2 Peter 1:21), the Holy Spirit convicts men of sin (John 16:8), the Holy Spirit testifies (John 15:26), and many more verses that I could list.

Furthermore, 1 John 5:7 says, "For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one."

What proof do you have that refutes this evidence?
 
First of all, the Heb/Grk "breath, wind" translated "spirit" denotes and unseen force)- ALWAYS seen as a glowing light.
Second, it's NEVER seen in the many visions, and has no name.
Third, God SENDS it, pouring it out, and even divides into portions!

The ONE sending it has those feelings!
 
theMadJW said:
First of all, the Heb/Grk "breath, wind" translated "spirit" denotes and unseen force)- ALWAYS seen as a glowing light.
Second, it's NEVER seen in the many visions, and has no name.
Third, God SENDS it, pouring it out, and even divides into portions!

The ONE sending it has those feelings!
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This is your philosophy and is not based on any scripture. I can only compare scripture with scripture to be fair.
 
Not so.For example- Num 11:16- And the Lord [Jehovah removed] said to Moses, “Gather for me seventy men of the elders of Israel, whom you know to be the elders of the people and officers over them; and bring them to the tent of meeting, and let them take their stand there with you. 17- And I will come down and talk with you there; and I will take SOME of the spirit which is upon you and put IT upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with you, that you may not bear it yourself alone.
 
theMadJW said:
Not so.For example- Num 11:16- And the Lord [Jehovah removed] said to Moses, “Gather for me seventy men of the elders of Israel, whom you know to be the elders of the people and officers over them; and bring them to the tent of meeting, and let them take their stand there with you. 17- And I will come down and talk with you there; and I will take SOME of the spirit which is upon you and put IT upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with you, that you may not bear it yourself alone.
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Please make a complete argument so that I can understand how to respond to you. You don't believe in Oneness of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You also don't believe that the Holy Spirit is a person. Make your full submission, with scriptural evidence supporting your logic so that I can also respond comprehensively.

The opinion prods and disparate submissions you keep sending do not serve your arguments any evidential justice.
 
Greetings

I agree with the Chief

The Ruwach means a medium, if you look up EGW you find she uses the word medium.
A medium is something that carries something, so hence you just proved a medium can carry SOME or MORE or LESS
A medium can magnify power or make power seem diminished, important so GOD can dwell among sinners without killing them,

Now to the part you don't like, the medium is administrated by a divine being called the Shadday. I tried to get this light adopted by the SDA church way back in 2012, without success, as they could find no evidence for this idea.

I will supply you with two of the best statements:

Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and
the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

This is a parallel, making the Shadday and the Medium the same function.

Scripture says visions are the result of the Shadday

Nu 24:4 He hath said, which heard the words of God, which saw the vision of the Almighty, falling into a trance, but having his eyes open:

And EGW comments on this are profound

{LS 468.3} "In December, 1844, the Holy Spirit gave her a revelation of the second coming of Christ. In this vision of the future there was given a view of the glorious reward that awaits the redeemed and the terrible fate that will come to all who refuse to serve their Lord and Master.

{LS80 233.1} Then Thayer took a heavy, large quarto family Bible which was lying on the table, and seldom used, opened it, and laid it upon Sister Ellen while in vision, as she was then inclined backward against the wall in the corner of the room. Immediately after the Bible was laid upon her, she arose upon her feet, and walked into the middle of the room, with the Bible open in one hand, and lifted as high as she could reach, and with her eyes steadily looking upward, declared in a solemn manner, �The inspired testimony from God,� or words of the same import. While the Bible was thus extended in one hand, and her eyes looking upwards, and not on the Bible, she continued for a long time, to turn over the leaves with her other hand, and place her finger upon certain passages, and correctly repeat their words with a solemn voice.


{LP 39.1} Following these events, the conversion of the Ethiopian eunuch under the preaching of Philip, the vision of Peter at Joppa, and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon Cornelius and his household, served to convince the apostles and leading brethren at Jerusalem, that God had granted to the Gentiles repentance unto life.

Thank God today that there is an open door which Satan and his agents may seek in vain to close. The arm of Almighty Power has opened this door, and no other power can close it. John in holy vision saw a door opened in heaven. {PrT November 3, 1885, par. 2}

Here the Shadday is referenced as power, with an arm, and administrating visions.

Now of course we can go with our SDA scholars (whom I suspect were Jewish influenced) and doubt all this. Shalom
 
Chief said:
Please make a complete argument so that I can understand how to respond to you. You don't believe in Oneness of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You also don't believe that the Holy Spirit is a person. Make your full submission, with scriptural evidence supporting your logic so that I can also respond comprehensively.

The opinion prods and disparate submissions you keep sending do not serve your arguments any evidential justice.
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I ACTUALLY believe the Bible.
Christ said that the ONLY true God is His father. (John 17:3)
Eph 3:7- I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God's grace given me through the working of his power.

Holy Spirit=the Power of God!
 
rob said:
Greetings

I agree with the Chief

The Ruwach means a medium, if you look up EGW you find she uses the word medium.
A medium is something that carries something, so hence you just proved a medium can carry SOME or MORE or LESS
A medium can magnify power or make power seem diminished, important so GOD can dwell among sinners without killing them,

Now to the part you don't like, the medium is administrated by a divine being called the Shadday. I tried to get this light adopted by the SDA church way back in 2012, without success, as they could find no evidence for this idea.

I will supply you with two of the best statements:

Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and
the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

This is a parallel, making the Shadday and the Medium the same function.

Scripture says visions are the result of the Shadday

Nu 24:4 He hath said, which heard the words of God, which saw the vision of the Almighty, falling into a trance, but having his eyes open:

And EGW comments on this are profound

{LS 468.3} "In December, 1844, the Holy Spirit gave her a revelation of the second coming of Christ. In this vision of the future there was given a view of the glorious reward that awaits the redeemed and the terrible fate that will come to all who refuse to serve their Lord and Master.

{LS80 233.1} Then Thayer took a heavy, large quarto family Bible which was lying on the table, and seldom used, opened it, and laid it upon Sister Ellen while in vision, as she was then inclined backward against the wall in the corner of the room. Immediately after the Bible was laid upon her, she arose upon her feet, and walked into the middle of the room, with the Bible open in one hand, and lifted as high as she could reach, and with her eyes steadily looking upward, declared in a solemn manner, �The inspired testimony from God,� or words of the same import. While the Bible was thus extended in one hand, and her eyes looking upwards, and not on the Bible, she continued for a long time, to turn over the leaves with her other hand, and place her finger upon certain passages, and correctly repeat their words with a solemn voice.


{LP 39.1} Following these events, the conversion of the Ethiopian eunuch under the preaching of Philip, the vision of Peter at Joppa, and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon Cornelius and his household, served to convince the apostles and leading brethren at Jerusalem, that God had granted to the Gentiles repentance unto life.

Thank God today that there is an open door which Satan and his agents may seek in vain to close. The arm of Almighty Power has opened this door, and no other power can close it. John in holy vision saw a door opened in heaven. {PrT November 3, 1885, par. 2}

Here the Shadday is referenced as power, with an arm, and administrating visions.

Now of course we can go with our SDA scholars (whom I suspect were Jewish influenced) and doubt all this. Shalom
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Wrong.

The word for "spirit" in the Old Testament is either ruach or neshamah. Ruach is translated in the following ways:


air 1
anger 1
blast 4
breath 27
cool 1
courage 1
mind 6
quarters 1
side 6
Spirit or spirit 240
wind 94
vain 2
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In the New Testament the word for "spirit" is pneuma. Pneuma is translated the following ways:


ghost 2
Ghost (with Holy) 90
life 1
spirit 151
Spirit 137
spiritual gift 1
spiritually 1
wind 1

And there are NO SUCH THINGS as ghosts!​
 
theMadJW said:
I ACTUALLY believe the Bible.
Christ said that the ONLY true God is His father. (John 17:3)
Eph 3:7- I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God's grace given me through the working of his power.

Holy Spirit=the Power of God!
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I see you are using the NT (testimony) rather than the OT of MOSES (to the law FIRST)

So do you recognize Christ as some divine being before the experience in Mary's womb?

Or are you only willing to see one Divine Being, the Father only?

Could be why you fail to answer my question with Gen 19:24 there are TWO YHWH beings in the Moses Scriptures.

I am still waiting for your reply to how many YHWH beings are there in Gen 19:24 ?

I will come to your HS as a power thing later, you keep changing topics.
 
theMadJW said:
Wrong.

The word for "spirit" in the Old Testament is either ruach or neshamah. Ruach is translated in the following ways:


air 1
anger 1
blast 4
breath 27
cool 1
courage 1
mind 6
quarters 1
side 6
Spirit or spirit 240
wind 94
vain 2
​
In the New Testament the word for "spirit" is pneuma. Pneuma is translated the following ways:


ghost 2
Ghost (with Holy) 90
life 1
spirit 151
Spirit 137
spiritual gift 1
spiritually 1
wind 1

And there are NO SUCH THINGS as ghosts!​
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Let me put a whole in your theory of faith immediatly

The Hebrew word "owb" translated as "famililar spirit" is a ghost like shape seen in a seance - so you cannot deny the Hebrew word "owb" does not exist !!

Second all your words meaning can be summarized into one English word "medium" A medium can be all the words you provided.

The question to you is are mediums natural or unnatural ie supernatural ?

A medium is never natural, they use media (matter) yes, but the medium affect is not natural, it is a term to describe things outside of matter. Why does light entering a glass media get bent or refracted? Science cannot answer this question.

Are some medium affects administrated by beings? Yes I can think of two such examples in the Scriptures.
A seance is administrated by a witch which the Bible condemns humans doing, but Jews do as many other religions do.
And the Holy Spirit Medium is administrated by the Shadday (Job 33:3)

So its a power? Yes, but you forget to add, administrated by a third co-eternal being called the Shadday.

Shalom
 
rob said:
Let me put a whole in your theory of faith immediatly

The Hebrew word "owb" translated as "famililar spirit" is a ghost like shape seen in a seance - so you cannot deny the Hebrew word "owb" does not exist !!

Second all your words meaning can be summarized into one English word "medium" A medium can be all the words you provided.

The question to you is are mediums natural or unnatural ie supernatural ?

A medium is never natural, they use media (matter) yes, but the medium affect is not natural, it is a term to describe things outside of matter. Why does light entering a glass media get bent or refracted? Science cannot answer this question.

Are some medium affects administrated by beings? Yes I can think of two such examples in the Scriptures.
A seance is administrated by a witch which the Bible condemns humans doing, but Jews do as many other religions do.
And the Holy Spirit Medium is administrated by the Shadday (Job 33:3)

So its a power? Yes, but you forget to add, administrated by a third co-eternal being called the Shadday.

Shalom
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You're in denial.
STRONGS G4151:
πνεῦμα, πνεύματος, τό (πνέω), Greek writings from Aeschylus and Herodotus down; Hebrew רוּחַ, Latin spiritus; i. e.:
1. a movement of air (gentle) blast;
a. of the wind: ἀνέμων πνεύματα, Herodotus 7, 16, 1; Pausanias, 5, 25; hence, the wind itself, John 3:8; plural Hebrews 1:7 (1 Kings 18:45; 1 Kings 19:11; Job 1:19; Psalm 103:4 (Psalms 104:4), etc.; often in Greek writings).
b. breath of the nostrils or mouth, often in Greek writings from Aeschylus down: πνεῦμα τοῦ στόματος, 2 Thessalonians 2:8 (Psalm 32:6 (Ps. 33:6), cf. Isaiah 11:4); πνεῦμα ζωῆς, the breath of life, Revelation 11:11 (Genesis 6:17, cf. πνοή ζωῆς, Genesis 2:7).
 
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