The Trinity Controversy | Randy Skeete

I study the Bible (and translations of it) from MANY sources, and, more or less, trust the scholars when everyone says the same thing!
My friend, I knew (deceased) a Hebrew Greek scholar in my SDA church, his name Dr Eric Livingstone, who could quote the entuire NT from memory in both English and Greek. We hardly agreed on anything. Later he told me to buy a book called Semantics of Hebrew by James Barr. There was hardly anything in the book I agreed to. I said this is a book you grow up with as a undergraduate, he said yes. I said no wonder we disagree so much.

You are talking to a person who does not agree with many scholars - my experiences are mine alone.

I give you one example" Language - in a language you can have words that are both noun and verb and thus should have the same basic meaning. But scholars disregard this because they don't like following the language rules they translate from.

The same is the idea of polysemy. Hebrew is a broad language, Greek is narrow. So the world today is Greek, and this is a problem.
I like Jeff Benner because I see words have a single basic meaning regardless of its context.

How many scholars know the paleo Hebrew the oldest Hebrew Moses wrote? The scholarship is less than 50 years old. So you will clash with scholars who regard such things as rubbish. Even today Jewish scholars say Solomons palace never existed !

Even Jews today write Hellenistic Hebrew, not the Ancient Hebrew Moses knew.

Narrow is the way the Bible says and few find it. Shalom
 
Even to it omits the very name of God (as others do)? And includes changes in the original meaning of the words? And uses a language FAR different from English now!
Yes I have a old English poem on my website, translated into modern English by two professors who disagree with one another !


For example "Hwaet" is old English. One translates this as "What" the other as "Lo" ? See the problem? You can't even get English professors agreeing on how to read English that is from 15th century.

SO how is a professor going to read Hebrew from 3000 BC?

Shalom
 
I ACTUALLY believe the Bible.
Christ said that the ONLY true God is His father. (John 17:3)
Eph 3:7- I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God's grace given me through the working of his power.

Holy Spirit=the Power of God!
But you believe that the Holy Spirit is a person 👇🏿
Such Arrogance.
You don't believe the holy spirit a PERSON?

Rather than cutting & pasting, let's try to keep it simple- point by point!
Would you mind reconciling these two?
 
My friend, I knew (deceased) a Hebrew Greek scholar in my SDA church, his name Dr Eric Livingstone, who could quote the entuire NT from memory in both English and Greek. We hardly agreed on anything. Later he told me to buy a book called Semantics of Hebrew by James Barr. There was hardly anything in the book I agreed to. I said this is a book you grow up with as a undergraduate, he said yes. I said no wonder we disagree so much.

You are talking to a person who does not agree with many scholars - my experiences are mine alone.

I give you one example" Language - in a language you can have words that are both noun and verb and thus should have the same basic meaning. But scholars disregard this because they don't like following the language rules they translate from.

The same is the idea of polysemy. Hebrew is a broad language, Greek is narrow. So the world today is Greek, and this is a problem.
I like Jeff Benner because I see words have a single basic meaning regardless of its context.

How many scholars know the paleo Hebrew the oldest Hebrew Moses wrote? The scholarship is less than 50 years old. So you will clash with scholars who regard such things as rubbish. Even today Jewish scholars say Solomons palace never existed !

Even Jews today write Hellenistic Hebrew, not the Ancient Hebrew Moses knew.

Narrow is the way the Bible says and few find it. Shalom

Rob, you used a different word that ruah/pnume.
 
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Are you saying the Bible is nonsense- and can't be trusted?
Sure the Bible can be trusted. You are deceived from what you have presented so far because your presentations do not match the plain teachings of the Moses torah.

The 10th time: How many YHWH is presented in Gen 19:24?

We start (your words - point by point) I am still waiting for you to reply as you want me to talk with you?
Your words remember? Stop beating around the bush and answer this one question.

Are you afraid The Bible will change your theories?
 
Sure the Bible can be trusted. You are deceived from what you have presented so far because your presentations do not match the plain teachings of the Moses torah.

The 10th time: How many YHWH is presented in Gen 19:24?

We start (your words - point by point) I am still waiting for you to reply as you want me to talk with you?
Your words remember? Stop beating around the bush and answer this one question.

Are you afraid The Bible will change your theories?

NONE! They were angels SPEAKING for Him- not THEM!

Get it THAT time?????
 
NONE! They were angels SPEAKING for Him- not THEM!

Get it THAT time?????
Well, well, well how about that? I was wrong and you are right. So if you are right where is your humility dealing with me, you kindness to show me the Bible texts and your lack of laughing as you do. By your fruits I come to know you?

Show me a Bible verse where a YHWH-angel (is there such a thing?) is speaking for the Most High?

I give you an example:


Da 8:16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

Some angel visits name themselves.

Ex 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush:

Here is malak YHWH is this a angel speaking for YHWH as you claim?

Rabbi Singer say this is an angel

Ex 23:20 ¶ Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.
21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.

How do we know it's an angel though? When the word is malak, a messenger?

Singer is assuming the only messengers in heaven are angels?

Singer also assume elohim is not a group, so elohim is cardinally one, all alone.
However is this true?

MadJW how do you know elohim is all alone? What about Jesus? Who was he?
Do you have a single verse for your view?

Consider this strange context

Ex 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.
4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.

Why is an angel speaking for YHWH (verse1) suddenly becoming YHWH (verse 4)!

So you theory has a problem.

Now the NT is a terrible translation, but consider

Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
(KJV)

My two pennies is Thomas is calling Jesus YHWH and Elohiym

Shalom
 
The angel, later named Jesus, spoke and acted in Yehovah's stead- 1 Cor 10:
1- I want you to know, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea,
2- and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
3- and all ate the same supernatural food
4- and all drank the same supernatural drink. For they drank from the supernatural Rock which followed them, and the Rock was Christ.
 
The angel, later named Jesus, spoke and acted in Yehovah's stead- 1 Cor 10:
1- I want you to know, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea,
2- and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
3- and all ate the same supernatural food
4- and all drank the same supernatural drink. For they drank from the supernatural Rock which followed them, and the Rock was Christ.
Love your insight my friend, so Jesus is an cherub also a simile of the cela rock.

De 32:3 Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.
4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

I publish the name of the Grand rock, the "tsuwr" who is the Most High, a flint foundation rock.

De 32:8 When the most High divided to the nations
Again the Most High Flint Rock

De 32:11 As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings:
Why is this theme thrown in a reference to a rare verse pointing to the HS?

De 32:12 So the LORD alone did lead him, and there was no strange god with him.
13 He made him ride on the high places of the earth, that he might eat the increase of the fields; and he made him to suck honey out of the rock, and oil out of the flinty rock;

Notice the YHWH "alone" made Israel drink out of the flint rock. This proves the elohiym is a group because you cannot be Alone, ie separated from the group. Also notice two ROCKS are listed here, the CELA and the TSUWR.

Does this make an angel a cela rock? I don't think so.

De 32:15 ¶ But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.

Here the flint rock is named "Eloah" the Most High

De 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God;

Israel backslide SHAD, fallen angels, not to Eloah, the flint rock who is named.

You would agree with all this so far?

Now in another place we find

Ex 17:6 Behold, I will stand before thee there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink. And Moses did so in the sight of the elders of Israel.

Again the flint rock is mentioned

Ps 78:15 He clave the rocks in the wilderness, and gave them drink as out of the great depths.

Again the flint rock is split

Ps 78:16 He brought streams also out of the rock, and caused waters to run down like rivers.

And a stream flowed out of a cela rock which sits on top of the flint rock

There are 54 verses that use cela

Nu 20:8 speak ye unto the "cela" rock before their eyes;

Ps 18:2 The LORD is my rock,

Now you have a problem YHWH is a cela

Shalom
 
Hypocrite.
Explain how I can be a hypocrite. I practice what I teach, I also live by what I research and study.
Your definition is wrong. If you claim to study the Bible as well as you do, why are you so hard on me?
I am trying to help you. And you being overly hard on yourself? If Jesus is just an angel, why does Thomas call this angel my YHWH and my Elohiym. You can always doubt this I suppose, as the Greek word kurios could also mean adonai.

How is an angel capable of dying for our sins and remain for 3 days and 3 nights in the tomb without a decaying body? Explain this one problem I see already with your theory?
 
Explain how I can be a hypocrite. I practice what I teach, I also live by what I research and study.
Your definition is wrong. If you claim to study the Bible as well as you do, why are you so hard on me?
I am trying to help you. And you being overly hard on yourself? If Jesus is just an angel, why does Thomas call this angel my YHWH and my Elohiym. You can always doubt this I suppose, as the Greek word kurios could also mean adonai.

How is an angel capable of dying for our sins and remain for 3 days and 3 nights in the tomb without a decaying body? Explain this one problem I see already with your theory?


Jesus IDENTIFIED who his God was.
You preach a different.
 
Jesus IDENTIFIED who his God was.
You preach a different.
My friend, stop beating around the bush and present your theory of faith simply and completely so I know what on earth you are talking about.

(1) Are you saying Jesus is an angel - ie a cherub?
(2) And you seem to be saying the HS is a force of the Father?

Are these views correct?
 
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